Venial Sins
In case anyone wants to get into a paladin alignment debate, please see here, here, here, or (more generally) here. It’s a popular topic. What I’d like to talk about today, however, is far less controversial. In fact, I’d venture to say it’s the most universally beloved of of all PC activities. I am talking of course about that favorite hobby of heroes the world over: annoying the shit out of NPCs.
Just look at Necromancer’s face! She knows exactly what she’s doing to Paladin’s blood pressure. And if deriving pleasure* from a date with Fighter is actually possible, you know it’s got to be good. By way of illustration, let me hit you with an anecdote from my own megadungeon game.
Over the years my players have fought a great many monsters. Everything from liches to volcano gods to b̶e̶h̶o̶l̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ocular tyrants has stood to oppose them. That was business as usual though. These creatures were all evil antagonists, but the PCs didn’t really hate them. That honor goes to the closest thing my campaign has ever come to a true BBEG: a particularly odious town councilman named Sirus Craddock. It all started when the party, having dealt with one too many monster attacks in their own backyard, volunteered to build a city wall. According to their proposal they’d pay for half the cost out of pocket. Local government would pay the other half, and the cause of adventurer/civilian relations would would take another step towards a brighter future.
Cue Craddock: “Why do you suppose we’ve been attacked? Hmmm? These fools stir up the things that lurk in that dungeon. Is it any wonder when monsters follow them home? I vote nay on this self-serving wall, and instead propose a new tax on the so-called ‘adventuring shops’ that do business with these rabble-rousers.”
My players’ fury burned with the fire of a thousand suns.
For three IRL years worth of adventuring, my players took it as their solemn duty to ruin Craddock’s life. They defeated his proposals. They campaigned to elect his political opponents. They built their “spite wall” entirely out of pocket, crashed every date he had with the local rich widow, and became philanthropists for the express goal of showing off their higher-than-yours net worth. And if that sounds like overkill, I can assure you they looked every bit as smugly self-satisfied as Necromancer whenever Craddock shook a fist and cursed their names.
What about the rest of you guys? Have you ever taken it as your noble quest to spite a particular NPC? What did they do to deserve you ire, and how did you go about annoying them to death? Sound off with your tales of angry cabbage merchants and irate deans down in the comments!
*The Handbook of Erotic Fantasy sequel to this comic lives here as of 12/20/19.
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So we were playing a heavily modified Second Darkness (for one thing we where members of a rival but equally evil drow house). We manage to catch up to the first villain, a mercenary type hired by our rivals to steal a MacGuffin. This is after foiling the theft mind you. So we threaten him a bit, pump him for some information and gives him an offer he can’t refuse, he’s going to work for us as an enforcer now against his former employers and also meet with us tomorrow to give us a few more details about what he knows.
Well he agrees and we leave thinking everything is dandy, only to discover the next day that the coward broke his oath and fled town leaving us unreasonably pissed.
Cut to the end of the campaign, we are now very high-level and has just decided that instead of preventing the world from ending we would rather hide in an extra-dimensional hole with an army and conquer the defenseless world post impact. Here’s where the spite comes in, because using our now incredible magic we scryed and ported to said early villain, used baleful polymorph to turn him into a frog (while buffing his will save so he kept his mind) and told him what was about to happen while leaving him unable to even attempt to do anything about it. Thus we condemned him to not merely die like everybody else he knew and loved but forced him to spend his last hours painfully aware of that fact.
Take it easy there Satan. 🙁
I must admit that it was refreshing to put on a villain hat for a change. (my favorite moment was that time I used stone shape to put a giant skeleton monster in a room in our lair which had a door that was too small for it to go through. I did this just to poke fun at myself due to how much it would have annoyed me in a normal campaign to come across a room like that.)
You and Inquisitor both: https://www.handbookofheroes.com/archives/comic/weird-dimensions
Not a campaign that I played in, but Snickle http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?247997-The-Big-One-Campagin-Log was quite likely worthy of this hatred.
Yo… Did you just link me to a whole campaign sans context? lol
Ima need some direction. Is there a particular part that I should be looking at?
Just about anything with a halfling named Snickle. That halfling has been able to steal just about anything and everything from the party, then during their next encounter force the party to forgive him. All the while never even drawing a blade. I believe he first appears in page three. (You could start two-fifths of the way down, at Moradin’s embrace, if you want the start of the adventure in which they first met Snickle).
Although, this is of course all a ruse to trick people into reading a massive campaign log.
It’s_A_Trap, after all! Why are you surprised?
Plus, it’s a REALLY great campaign log!
So I recently played Scion 2E, and I’ve mentioned how awesome I think it is before. I built a Scion of Loki (whom I have also mentioned before), whose big story thing was that she had stolen three of her Relics (special magical items associated with your legend. Jason’s Golden Fleece, and Argo.), thereby creating a pattern and following in her father’s footsteps. Of course, no theft is complete without a victim.
For this particular story, I was also playing with repeating Loki’s Deeds and I had stolen a shard of the Brisingamen from a Scion of Freya who was supposed to be gifted with the necklace. One of the other things I had stolen was the chariot of Mani, the Norse Moon God. My GM loved it and I embarked on this whole awesome side quest where inbetween normal things, my character would basically show up as the guile villain in another Band’s story. It turned into a series of pranks I worked to keep them looking in the wrong places and make them look like idiots. I stole one’s wallet and got away from him because he wouldn’t leave his guns, but wouldn’t enter a hospital with them (Kira didn’t have her guns, she wasn’t intending to shoot anyone). I set up an entire, elaborate fake Ritual that wound up sending them headlong into a nest of evil vipers. I pulled off this crazy seat of my pants deception when they caught me and convinced them that I had sent the items they wanted to South Korea. I ruined these NPCs lives in true Loki fashion and when they finally cornered me, I tossed them the necklace and the reins of the Moon’s Chariot and was like “I’m done with them now.”
The break-down of the poor Scion of Freya was worth it alone. It became a whole thing where she wasn’t going to take the items back, she was gonna fight me over them. I think she would have if I hadn’t made sure to also claim Gram, the sword of Sigurd.
My only brush with Scion was character gen. I made an elderly preacher man who used his connection to Erzulie…
http://scion-dayone.wikidot.com/god:erzulie
…to sleep with all the most eligible widows in his church. Wish I’d have got to play that guy. He was a fast-talking shyster from New Orleans, and I’d have loved to do the voice work for him.
Any damn way, it sounds like you were killing it with the Loki shtick. Have you gone through Neil Gaiman’s Norse Mythology yet? It’s a fun take:
https://www.amazon.com/Norse-Mythology-Neil-Gaiman/dp/039360909X
Have not picked up the Neil Gaiman book, but have been referred to it more than once.
That Scion actually sounds fun to play with. And I will admit that the system’s mechanical lightness does a bit to help social characters be less “Play while my friends die” than some other systems I know of.
And thanks, I put a lot of research and work into getting Kira properly in theme with Loki.
There was this one noblewoman. She saw the tiefling rogue girl as an exotic curiosity. She wanted to dabble in the demonic, so to speak, but in a sort-of safe way. The poor rogue was her outlet. The party had to cater to this lady’s whims to get her permission to access the forbidden archives at the library, and that meant that the poor rogue spent multiple levels uncomfortably bearing the brunt of unwelcome affection. Poor girl learned to write poetry because this noblewoman insisted her newest fling write her romantic poems. She had to wrestle a crocodile to prove her love. It was a deliciously terrible time for all involved.
When they were finally done, that rogue took great pleasure in her payback. She spent MONTHS composing petty and insulting verses using the poetry skills she’d been forced to develop. Long after their need to interact with this NPC was done, the rogue was still sending her daily Yo Mama jokes by animal messenger. I’ve never seen someone get so spiteful.
Nice! Did you actually write out any of the insult-poems! If so Ima need to hear a few.
Hey, where did the “random comic” button go? Can we have it back?
I’m on Chrome on a windows PC. The button is still there for me.
What are you looking at?
Iphone 11, iOS 13, Safari. Sorry for taking so long to answer this, the weekend was a bit busy. I’m also sorry the original comment didn’t give more useful technical feedback (should have seen that coming when nobody else complained about the button’s absence).
After seeing your comment I tried Chrome on a windows PC, and yup, random button’s still there.
Fiddled around with my phone for a while trying to figure out why the button had vanished (it had previously displayed on the same configuration). Eventually I found that the button returned when I requested the desktop version of the site. The “Comments” link immediately below the image also reappeared on desktop version (I hadn’t minded that omission because the comments link at the bottom of the page still displayed, enabling me to read the comments).
As glad as I am to find a way to get it back, I’m baffled why the mobile version would remove the random and comments buttons from the bar immediately beneath the comic, as there is literally no other difference between the desktop and mobile versions on my phone.
(I’m not sure I used the same email on this comment and the previous.)
Oh boy, a hated NPC story? Give me a few hours to get home and you’ll get one.
As far as the comic goes, I always imagined fighter to be like Joey Tribbiani as far as sharing food (or any consumables) go.
Surprised he and necro hooked up after their last… interaction, back in the ‘Supernatural Man of Mystery’ comic. I guess she left a jaw-dropping (and drooling) impression on him…
Wait a minute. Is this comic (and its ‘pleasing’ patreon version) secretly a prequel/explanation of the Supernatural Man of Mystery comic’s events? And is this a romance to stay?
It’s a relationship of convenience:
https://www.handbookofheroes.com/archives/comic/desecration
The charade is 100% designed to drive Paladin bonkers, and I somehow doubt that Fighter is in on the plot though. Useful idiot and all that.
I keep meaning to make a “three panel comic” contest where folks can take three panels from the comic’s history, replace the dialogue, and tell their own stories. I’d definitely like to read that version of events, lol.
Here is a fun little game you can play with today’s comic – post a cheesy one-liner, flirt or ‘sweet/romantic nothing’ Fighter and Necro would have said during this date (or started the romance with)!
“I thought a Necromancer would stop my heart, not make it beat faster.”
“I get XP for RP’ing this, right?”
“Do you know Fighter, I find your lack of stodgy moral code to be your most attractive quality.”
I’m impressed with your players- figuring out that they can ruin the life of a hated NPC without rolling initiative.
I’m pretty sure mine would have just murdered the guy.
There were paladins in the group. Their hands twitched towards their swords, but they could not harm the “innocent.”
If its not to annoy and make NPC lives miserable, there would be any reason to play RPGs at all? o_O
Also, Colin have you read Made in Abyss?
I don’t read much manga, more’s the pity. What’s the connection?
Made in abyss is a manga about a girl that lives in a town build around a huge conical crater that goes deep inside earth. The town is inhabited by people that goes into the titular abyss to hunt for relics and curios that they sell form money. When i read that the mayor Sirus “Tax-raising” Craddock was creating a tax on adventurer shops and since apparently the party of the mega-dungeon campaign made its money on delving into a dungeon near the town, thus selling relics and artifacts recovered from the dungeon. By that i made the connection and just inquired if there was some relation between the two, as homage, inspiration, or without connection as it appears to be the case 🙂
Naw. No connection. That’s just the premise of mega dungeons in general: go into the dungeon, sell the loot back in town. It’s a popular formula!
Made in abyss is a manga about a girl that lives in a town build around a huge conical crater that goes deep inside earth. The town is inhabited by people that goes into the titular abyss to hunt for relics and curios that they sell form money. When i read that the mayor Sirus “Tax-raising” Craddock was creating a tax on adventurer shops and since apparently the party of the mega-dungeon campaign made its money on delving into a dungeon near the town, thus selling relics and artifacts recovered from the dungeon. By that i made the connection and just inquired if there was some relation between the two, as homage, inspiration, or without connection as it appears to be the case 🙂
Also, why sometimes when i post something my comment appears with a “Comment pending of moderation” above it but when i go to other page and back again it doesn’t appear. It’s not something about be pending of moderation because the last Friday, or the one before that, i waited like two-three hours and my comment didn’t appear, but when i post again the exact same message, something you can actually do, i can finally post my comment without problems. Just saying in case of problems 🙂
I’ll check with Laurel. It seems random.
I do have to click “approve” on comments sometimes (about 10% of all comments actually), but I’ve no idea what triggers that.
I was telling that because my prior comment got that problem. I did go back to the previous page, the one of the baby kobold beating the crap out of Fighter and go back to this page, my comment wasn’t in the page, then i copy my prior comment and write the part about the problem just in case. Since posting the comics and responding is what you two do maybe you didn’t know of the problem for some administrator privilege you maybe have. Good thing is a problem with small random chances, bad thing now i can even botch my post internet comment rolls 😛
Well hey, thanks for the heads up. Ima copy this conversation and zip it to Laurel.
The goal is to make this comic as un-obnoxious as possible.
I suspect the “Comment pending moderation” thing is some sort of automated “hey this thing might be spam” feature. My guess is that it pops up when people either post long comments or comments with links in them.
While that is a good idea and can be the reason it may not be the only explanation. Read my comments above, no links and i have write longer bull… comments in other pages 🙂
I’ll test for that in future. Cheers!
So swearing is against DevoPal’s oath, but voyeurism isn’t? The idea of a DevoPal not swearing is pretty alien to me. The last Paladin I played loved to swear at his teammates when they did something stupid/evil.
Also, Battlemaster Fighter seems like he’s actually into the date. Maybe if he got some action he might be less of an ass.
I have yet to try a non-villain antagonist, but if the party gets more involved in the Magic Kingdom (A secret demiplane where powerful and/or well-connected spellcasters do their business) they might have some.
There’s exactly one tavern in Plotsville. Can’t exactly help but notice.
In one campaign, we arrived at a new city by way of a teleporting tower.
We quickly realized that the city was full of racists, holier-than-thou humans. Our party of five had only one human. So we had a bad time.
There were two lords wrestling for power over the city, and one of them was slightly less dickish than the other, so we ended up working with him. His rival had sent a band of adventurers to retrieve a powerful artifact, and the soon-to-be mayor wanted us to intercept it. So we go, fight the rival band, and claim the artifact, after learning that it summoned a small army of demons under your command. The soon-to-be mayor then asks us to give it to him (he was there with his personal guard).
Of course, he was still an arrogant racist jackass. So instead we took him hostage, because now WE were the ones with the super powerful artifact, told his guards that if we so much as caught a glimpse of them behind us he was dead, and then rode a full day towards our next destination – before throwing the dude into the mud and leaving him there in the middle of nowhere.
After the end of the campaign, where we had become extremely powerful (basically demigods), we came back to claim our tower back, because hell, a teleporting tower is cool. And also to rub it in their faces a bit. It was fun.
Ah. The old ‘you boys like mex-i-co’ approach. Well played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGgGCvuez14
It was fairly recent and we haven’t been back to that town again yet, but there was this bar owner that was racist against dragonborn. I’m playing a dragonborn prince and another player is a dragonborn noble. The bar said no dragonborns but we were thirsty so we went in and ordered anyway. We tried to stay polite but the people end the bar kept pushing us and it ended up in a fight. My character wouldn’t do anything like breathing on the building to set it on fire, but he wouldn’t mind punching the dude in the face a couple of times.
Nothing quote so satisfying is smacking fantasy racists.
Except possibly starting your own, more-enlightened bar across the street and driving them out of business.
Our party does have access to a dwarf that really knows his booze and is a retired adventurer. Maybe he could be the barkeep. Nothing says don’t cause trouble as a grumpy dwarf in full plate glaring at you.
I bet it wouldn’t be much trouble to grab the cash register and run though. Easy getaway with those stumpy legs.
Not with a big old hammer flying at your head.
Blast it, seems my big post got eaten or something. Or wasn’t mod approved. Repost time!
My Ratfolk wizard has a particularly loathed NPC – Lullaby Vancasterkin. Way back in book one, at the early levels of 1-3, She robbed our party of 10 gold each as a river ferry ‘protection fund’ – which we agreed to because she was high enough level to mop the floor with us.
Unfortunately for her, of all the party members that cycled through since then, my Ratfolk wizard is the only one who remains… And is very patient about his grudge. So patient, that he’s going to give her a visit at level 20… After saving the world from a BBEG. And becoming immortal, with a gate archon true-named, and otherwise spectacularly powerful whilst she remains a level 10-ish bandit leader in Magnimar. He also calculates an interest rate for how much gold she owes him.
One particularly nasty present for her will be a curse to make her vomit live rats when speaking profanity or commiting evil acts, lasting until she spends roughly a year mending her ways and atoning for all her past robberies.
Alternatively, he might just put a 100k gold bounty on her, eunning man style, and watch as every greedy person she ever meets becomes her potential enemy.
The moral of this story: don’t piss off a CN, mildly insane and very patient wizard. That’s as bad as kicking a dragon hatchling who can grow to ancient dragon size in less than a year.
Sorry about that. Second complaint about the comments system so far… Ima see about doing some tweaking. Sorry about the inconvenience.
Anywhoodles, Lullaby Vancasterkin is a very hateable name. Good show.
In the campaign I am currently DMing, the PCs, besides being kinda-sorta-future-rebels-in-training are also gladiators. The way the city’s gladiator tournament (“GLADIATION!!!”, to use its official name) works, each gladiator team fights monsters for a few rounds so that the crowd can pick favorites before the proper VS matches begin. And man, do the PCs (or, at least, the players) hate Grakkus the Swashbuckler Orc. It’s mainly because he’s cooler and more beloved than them. It so irks them that I’ve gotten in the habit of sprinkling Grakkus mentions/praise into other NPC interactions just to frustrate them.
That said, the party killing Grakkus’s manager, cutting his head off, putting the head in a jar and then leaving his body stuffed in a crate of mead was probably excessive. Though the manager was using Grakkus and DID kidnap a PC and someone the party was trying to rescue, and did try to kill the party. And the head-stealing was purely for science. I still added stuff to the rumor table about the head-taking serial killer the public now believes is stalking the town. And Grakkus (who doesn’t know what happened to his manager) is going to be as sympathetic as possible to them when he learns of the party’s manager’s death (long story). Just so I can rub it in.
I don’t think they’re ever actually going to try to do anything harmful to Grakkus (well, besides their attempts to spread rumors that he is affiliated with a criminal gang, but that didn’t work too well), but it is so fun to use him to annoy them, especially since he literally hasn’t done anything wrong, or even intentionally done anything to them. He’s just awesome and friendly and the public (other than the party) loves him for it.
Are all three exclamations points in GLADIATION!!! part of the official name? I mean, would it be a typo if I were to write out GLADIATION! instead?
As for Grakkus, it sounds like you’ve got the Anti-Party up and running:
https://www.handbookofheroes.com/archives/comic/anti-party
Give him some helpers and make him a rival adventurer once the rebels-in-training plot comes to a head. Keep that hate rolling!
Oh, it’s much worse than that. When the rebels-in-training plot reaches the you-are-now-enemies-of-the-state-with-bounties-on-you stage… I’m going to make them go to Grakkus for HELP.
They will never forgive him.
I haven’t talked about my 3.5 character Miang in a while, but a tale of hers will be the most fitting for today’s topic.
So in that particular game, we had a bit of a mess where our regular GM would flake out so frequently that one of our player’s “I’ll fill in with a random one-shot” turned into a regular thing (and at the very end I took my turn GMing the game a few times too).
That led to a situation where at the end of that first one-shot my character had beguiled (as Beguilers are wont to do) her way into the deed for the now ex-haunted lands of a whole town.
We all just casually assumed “ok Miang ‘officially’ owns a town now”… right up until the point we met the King of the country. Who was adamantly against the idea of some random foreigner decided they were now mayor of a town in his kingdom, even if nobody else wanted to be mayor and pretty much nobody lived there.
He also wasn’t keen on allowing Miang to marry a female PC who also happened to be nobility. (Even though said PC’s lands were overrun by undead in our first session and that was the main problem of the campaign we were supposedly working to fix, despite the fact that nothing we ever wound up actually doing was directly related to that at all past session 2.)
So we grumbled about it in character for a while. And strongly considered just using Beguiler mind-control powers, er… perfectly reasonable enchantment spells I mean, but our GM basically was constantly declaring NPCs immune to enchantments to prevent my character from actually…. doing anything useful?
Finally at the end of the game, we have a big marriage in said town that my character (who had attained Divine Rank 0 and officially decided she didn’t play by the rules of governments that couldn’t handle their own undead horde problems) declared herself mayor of.
The King shows up to the wedding…. and so does my character’s mentor/father figure who happens to be one of the major government figures from her actual country. These two countries are in an extremely tense relationship because the second one just appeared about a hundred years ago out of nowhere, because they finally figured out how to de-exile themselves from the astral plane.
So we’re all there, looking at the King just giving him this knowing look like “by all means your lord, object to something here so you can make an enemy instead of a friend of a neighboring country while yours is currently still besieged by an army of undead”.
Miang also made the town an inter-planar trading hub to spite The Lady of Pain on principle despite the PCs never having interacted with her or even having ever been to Sigil.
(Because yes, she can rule Sigil with an iron fist and keep other gods out, but she can’t do anything about someone stealing her idea and putting it on the material plane where all the gods would love for her to try and show up and object. And yes, knowing ALL the gods would subtly intervene to help just to spite the Lady of Pain was an in-character business decision.)
You’re just making all kinds of friends, arentcha, lol?
I seem to detect a theme of rival-nations going on here. I’m guessing that the sequel campaign is going to be the Pepsi vs. Coke war between Sigil and “random town nobody else wanted to be mayor of and pretty much nobody lives is.”
I feel bad for necro. She and Paly could have been a thing of she just build a Juju.